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	<title>Comments on: Dallas Morning News on Denominational Decline</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Thorny</title>
		<link>http://iemissional.com/2008/06/07/dallas-morning-news-on-denominational-decline/#comment-1906</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty~

Not sure if you remember me.  We talked a long time ago about a lot of stuff.  Well, if you consider 3 years ago a long time, it was a long time ago.  A lot has happend in life with me and after reading this I see a lot has happend in ministry in regards to you.  I see you have co-authored a book.  Kudos.  I wanted to stop by because I found your name while researching Missional.  
I'm living in Indianapolis now.  I'm not sure if you will be here for the convention, but I would love to meet up with you or anyone else for that matter.  I'm no longer affliated with the SBC from a vocational ministry perspective or a worship perspective, but of course my roots are SBC.  I'm a part of the UMC now for a number of reasons.  One, admittedly, because I married a Methodist :).  But, I haven't had many conversations with relevant SBCer's lately and didn't know if you are anyone you know might be in town and would want to join me for lunch.  
I hope all is well and that I hear from you soon.  

P.S.:  I left a message at your church with my number if you'd like to contact me.  Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty~</p>
<p>Not sure if you remember me.  We talked a long time ago about a lot of stuff.  Well, if you consider 3 years ago a long time, it was a long time ago.  A lot has happend in life with me and after reading this I see a lot has happend in ministry in regards to you.  I see you have co-authored a book.  Kudos.  I wanted to stop by because I found your name while researching Missional.<br />
I&#8217;m living in Indianapolis now.  I&#8217;m not sure if you will be here for the convention, but I would love to meet up with you or anyone else for that matter.  I&#8217;m no longer affliated with the SBC from a vocational ministry perspective or a worship perspective, but of course my roots are SBC.  I&#8217;m a part of the UMC now for a number of reasons.  One, admittedly, because I married a Methodist :).  But, I haven&#8217;t had many conversations with relevant SBCer&#8217;s lately and didn&#8217;t know if you are anyone you know might be in town and would want to join me for lunch.<br />
I hope all is well and that I hear from you soon.  </p>
<p>P.S.:  I left a message at your church with my number if you&#8217;d like to contact me.  Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Cleveland</title>
		<link>http://iemissional.com/2008/06/07/dallas-morning-news-on-denominational-decline/#comment-1892</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Cleveland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty, 

So here I am at the great Zoo Outpouring known as the Annual Meeting of the SBC and yours is the first thing I read.

On second thought, animals in a zoo are in cages. Make that a Jungle Outpouring.

I presume the basics we're supposed to go back to are the ones that built an army with a 50% AWOL rate. That does NOT sound like a 20th Century tactic, to me. Let alone 21st Century. I personally think a raft of well educated, gifted women as teachers could probably sort the whole thing out.

No, wait. We already tried that (Can you tell I spent Thursday morning visiting with Dr. Sheri Klouda?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty, </p>
<p>So here I am at the great Zoo Outpouring known as the Annual Meeting of the SBC and yours is the first thing I read.</p>
<p>On second thought, animals in a zoo are in cages. Make that a Jungle Outpouring.</p>
<p>I presume the basics we&#8217;re supposed to go back to are the ones that built an army with a 50% AWOL rate. That does NOT sound like a 20th Century tactic, to me. Let alone 21st Century. I personally think a raft of well educated, gifted women as teachers could probably sort the whole thing out.</p>
<p>No, wait. We already tried that (Can you tell I spent Thursday morning visiting with Dr. Sheri Klouda?).</p>
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		<title>By: David Wilson</title>
		<link>http://iemissional.com/2008/06/07/dallas-morning-news-on-denominational-decline/#comment-1888</link>
		<dc:creator>David Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David skids in, fresh from attending a last run through of a "Mission OK" (backyard Bible club like) event with a group from another church, which included hearing a year's worth of banjo on "The B-I-B-L-E" that is the book for me, and wonders what the heck is Marty talking about?

Won't 1.5 hours over 3 days of Bible stories, songs like Give me a "J" for Jesus, puppets, crafts and water fun win Valparaiso for Jesus?

What?

I'm I missing something?

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David skids in, fresh from attending a last run through of a &#8220;Mission OK&#8221; (backyard Bible club like) event with a group from another church, which included hearing a year&#8217;s worth of banjo on &#8220;The B-I-B-L-E&#8221; that is the book for me, and wonders what the heck is Marty talking about?</p>
<p>Won&#8217;t 1.5 hours over 3 days of Bible stories, songs like Give me a &#8220;J&#8221; for Jesus, puppets, crafts and water fun win Valparaiso for Jesus?</p>
<p>What?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m I missing something?</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Duren</title>
		<link>http://iemissional.com/2008/06/07/dallas-morning-news-on-denominational-decline/#comment-1887</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty Duren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim-
I'm honored.  Come spend a day?

*Channeling Napoleon Dynamite*  "Heck, yes!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim-<br />
I&#8217;m honored.  Come spend a day?</p>
<p>*Channeling Napoleon Dynamite*  &#8220;Heck, yes!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Dahl</title>
		<link>http://iemissional.com/2008/06/07/dallas-morning-news-on-denominational-decline/#comment-1886</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Dahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty,

Can I hang out with you for one day?  It would only be one day, and not your day off.  Can I, please? 

:)

Tim Dahl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty,</p>
<p>Can I hang out with you for one day?  It would only be one day, and not your day off.  Can I, please? </p>
<p>:)</p>
<p>Tim Dahl</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just need another evangelism strategy and an SBC president with an emphasis on evangelism. That will change everything.  Also, we need to get rid of everyone who has a glass of wine once in a while. One more thing: we need churches loyal to the CP.  That way, our denominational bureacracy can have more money to reach the world for Christ and do foreign missions, since that is what the money is always used for.  Yep, if we just try harder, everything will be okay.  I mean, doesn't anyone remember the 1950's when we were in our glory days? Things worked pretty well back then.  Well, except for having the liberals in charge. That wasn't good. Okay, if we can do what we did in the 1950's minus the liberals, everything will be great!  Perhaps we could set up a new denominational training structure to help our churches be like they were in the 1950's (minus the liberals - racism optional) and we can drip training down through the state conventions and local associations. Of course, that will cost money, so we better get those CP gifts up. Maybe we could have another special Sunday called "Back To the Past."  We will have it right after we have the "Read the Alabama Baptist Sunday" that I was just informed about in the mail. 

I keep doing what they tell me and I don't know why our church isn't growing. That's okay. I'll get all the training and inspiriation I need at the Pastor's Conference next year. I love hearing about all the things I'm supposed to be against. I can't afford to go this year, but next year I told my wife that our whole family is taking our vacation at the SBC. She isn't talking to me right now, but that's okay.  She'll come around.

Marty, I think that you're wrong about all of this. With just a little tweaking, an ongoing, never-say-die Conservative Resugence, two revivals a year led by an evangelist, more resolutions against other people's sins, and some more programs, we'll be fine.  The lost are just waiting for us to get back to basics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just need another evangelism strategy and an SBC president with an emphasis on evangelism. That will change everything.  Also, we need to get rid of everyone who has a glass of wine once in a while. One more thing: we need churches loyal to the CP.  That way, our denominational bureacracy can have more money to reach the world for Christ and do foreign missions, since that is what the money is always used for.  Yep, if we just try harder, everything will be okay.  I mean, doesn&#8217;t anyone remember the 1950&#8217;s when we were in our glory days? Things worked pretty well back then.  Well, except for having the liberals in charge. That wasn&#8217;t good. Okay, if we can do what we did in the 1950&#8217;s minus the liberals, everything will be great!  Perhaps we could set up a new denominational training structure to help our churches be like they were in the 1950&#8217;s (minus the liberals - racism optional) and we can drip training down through the state conventions and local associations. Of course, that will cost money, so we better get those CP gifts up. Maybe we could have another special Sunday called &#8220;Back To the Past.&#8221;  We will have it right after we have the &#8220;Read the Alabama Baptist Sunday&#8221; that I was just informed about in the mail. </p>
<p>I keep doing what they tell me and I don&#8217;t know why our church isn&#8217;t growing. That&#8217;s okay. I&#8217;ll get all the training and inspiriation I need at the Pastor&#8217;s Conference next year. I love hearing about all the things I&#8217;m supposed to be against. I can&#8217;t afford to go this year, but next year I told my wife that our whole family is taking our vacation at the SBC. She isn&#8217;t talking to me right now, but that&#8217;s okay.  She&#8217;ll come around.</p>
<p>Marty, I think that you&#8217;re wrong about all of this. With just a little tweaking, an ongoing, never-say-die Conservative Resugence, two revivals a year led by an evangelist, more resolutions against other people&#8217;s sins, and some more programs, we&#8217;ll be fine.  The lost are just waiting for us to get back to basics.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Bussey</title>
		<link>http://iemissional.com/2008/06/07/dallas-morning-news-on-denominational-decline/#comment-1883</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Bussey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty,

Amen!  We don't live in the 1950's anymore!  We have to be students of culture and realize what worked 10 years ago doesn't work today.  Man, what worked 2 years doesn't always work today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty,</p>
<p>Amen!  We don&#8217;t live in the 1950&#8217;s anymore!  We have to be students of culture and realize what worked 10 years ago doesn&#8217;t work today.  Man, what worked 2 years doesn&#8217;t always work today.</p>
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